Modern Tactics 4 Demo Update

I have just updated the demo with all new abilities! Such as suicide, full-auto, launcher, crouch and more!

The sniper class gets a unique ability called camo. It allows the sniper to avoid all bullets but be aware frag grenades still hurt!

The game is coming along nicely. More updates next week. :)

298 Comments

Posted on May Fri 7, 2010 @ 5:03pm by lautan

by Lime @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 5:10pm

I still have the glitch where the enemy never stops taking its turn. Fun watching them run around the map because my snipers are all camouflaged.

by lautan @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 5:12pm

I completely forgot about that glitch. I have been working on only the abilities.

I'll fix it soon.

by Lime @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 5:18pm

Okay, thanks.

by chuggaconroy @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 6:26pm

looks awesome

by SirJid @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 6:27pm

Wont that make snipers essentially invincible?

by chuggaconroy @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 6:30pm

the enemy doest move glitch

by SirJid @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 6:33pm

Just played it. When the enemy is too close to shoot me, he just stays there for ever. Don't like the minimum range, but it would be okay if there was a knife.

by b25 @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 6:41pm

i miss the laying down ability from MT3 it made it more realistic. but it is looking awesome

by chopy @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 6:46pm

Oh great suicide, cuzz that would be real helpful right?

by b25 @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 6:46pm

ya besides the glitch, the demo is awesome, i like the hot keys, back to normal. cant wait to see the improvements!

by BUBEAR @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 6:52pm

look at last commnts thing, or the one before that?

by ageust @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 9:30pm

i cant shoot (when i say shoot and click on the enemy it sas "select an active tile") and it seems to be happening to the computer to.

by aaa @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 9:34pm

the snipers invincible to bullets sound like it would make them almost indestructible. they should just get large evasion boost, but not completely.

by Randyll13 @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 10:11pm

how long have u thought about the minimum range, run and move ability, and the worse, camo

by chopy @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 10:40pm

get rid of minimum range, idc wht gun im using if ur in front of me u will get shot whether im usin an AR or a SR or a shotty

by TehGuest @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 10:54pm

Whoa whoa, slow down. The new move options make it a little complicated for my liking. The double move makes it so you can just run into people's minumum range without entering their line of fire.

Regular move should be taken out and crouch should be renamed "tactical move" (less range, but with crouching for a boost in evasion; it would serve as the new "move") and run should be blue with more range and no cover. It would also help if you made standing give a decrease to evasion so that there would be a little more incentive to use "tactical move"

The minimum range on MGs should be removed (they're already crappy enough XD), but it should be kept on launchers and snipers. Oh, and you should probably remove "full auto" from snipers, it doesn't seem logical :)

There are a few glitches I've found, in addition to infinite turns of course:

-Dead bodies are targetable and take damage from attacks and explosions

-Hovering over dead bodies has an extra catagory labeled "none"

-Abilities don't change when you switch weapons (ie: "camo" on a shotgun, "slight" on a sniper rifle, "defend" on an MG, "launcher" on a sniper rifle). Not sure if this is a glitch or not

That's all I've found so far, I'll tell you if I find more

by TehGuest @ May Fri 7, 2010 @ 10:58pm

Camo is good by the way, I'm glad you come out of it when you move but can use your attack action to go back in. I feel like you should get a boost to attack for having the element of surprise, but that might make it a little over powered

by mt3ftw @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 3:17am

This is still not as good at MT3, minimum range made the computer just stand there and not take its turn, I was easily able to blow up all but one with the suicide option, camo on sniper is overpowered, double move is a VERY, VERY bad step away from MT3. All in all, until you make this MT3+ not MTwierd it just won't be good enough. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: use the MT3 engine/framework not the KT2 engine/framework.

by mt3ftw @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 3:18am

All but one OF THE ENEMY WITH ONLY 2 OF MINE, I should have said.

by mt3ftw @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 3:19am

And when will you connect the our website accounts with the forums so that I don't have to tell my email address to make a separate account for the forums?

by coll543 @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 8:39am

by coll543 @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 8:41am

sorry about that anyway i agre with mt3ftw
you should ues mt3 fram i see the problem with the min range and of topic y do i get the feling i sum up on topic try making a vercal demo

by Lime @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 8:45am

I agree with mt3ftw, too. In my opinion, the tactics games went downhill after WWII tactics, when we couldn't carry sidearms or choose our squads.

by Lime @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 11:13am

Well, KT2 was alright...

by l4stspartan @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 1:47pm

all the new stuff makes gaeplay a tad complicated, i like to keep my strategy simple as to not get lost. you should just have things like these:

Move: self explanitory, but you can still go crouch and prone.
Tactical Move: very small move you can do just to get it around that corner or behind whatever so you don't get shot right away after shooting.
Aim: + hit chances, + damage.
Shoot: again, self explanitory.
Knife: close quarters combat, one hit kill.
Grenade: toss whatever grenade you have equipped.
Swap: change to your sidearm.
Pick up: trade your current gun for another that's nearby.
Wait: end units turn.
lol that could pretty well be summed up with "use mt3, but still i just wanted to be clear. what do you guys think?

by Sorren777 @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 1:47pm

Lose the suicide, add the knife.

by l4stspartan @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 1:48pm

... makes "gameplay" a ...
lol that really failed sorry for other typos aswell im on a mini laptop.

by l4stspartan @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 1:49pm

... makes "gameplay" a ...
lol that really failed sorry for other typos aswell im on a mini laptop.

by l4stspartan @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 2:01pm

oh and reload: reload your gun, duh.

by b25 @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 3:02pm

MT3 FOR THE WIN!!! lol

by TehGuest @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 3:17pm

Um... If he just made another MT3, what would be the point? I'm pretty sure you can go ahead to the top, click "games" and its right there...

And you're movement ideas makes no sense spartan. If there were a "tactical move" it would have to be red for you to be able to move twice, thus removing your ability to shoot and making the whole thing pointless

by l4stspartan @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 3:31pm

ooorrr... add a different colour, wow... that fixes everything and yes it makes pretty good simple sense, your behind a wall, you come out to shoot a guy, your turn ends, 3 enemies round the same corner as their buddy, they all shoot and kill your guy cuz hes stuck in the open, tactical move makes great sense to me as long as it isn't a "player-only" handicap. plus the shear fact it has way more point than commiting suicide to win a game when your counter terrorists, it would just be like run but it would take your attack move and it would be tuned down to 1-3 spaces or something, i just came up with the idea because it gets lame when the cpu camps in a spot and you have to force a guy into the open and get owned.

by l4stspartan @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 3:33pm

it would be like run but WOULDN'T take your attack move.

by TehGuest @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 3:48pm

Nah, another color would make it too complicated. He would have to come up with new abilities to fill it, most of which would end up too similar to current ones

by l4stspartan @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 4:48pm

but what about yellow? that only has wait in it, couldn't he put wait and tactical move in same catagory seeing as your gonna use it at the end of your turn anyways.

by BUBEAR @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 5:51pm

hey everyone, does any1 live in abbeville alabama????????

by BUBEAR @ May Sat 8, 2010 @ 5:53pm

qucik question????? why are there different colours for names????

by SadPanda @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 12:51am

Magic, Bubear.

Anyway, minimum range is an outright bad move. I know "this is a game, not real life" but guns don't have a minimum range IRL. I don't care much for suicide, but I'm easy. So far, it's coming along. I would like to see some of the things we discussed last update being touched on, for good or ill.

by Quiche @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 1:01am

I still want the knife and splash damage for grenades in MT4.

by Quiche @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 1:35am

sorry, there is splash damage. Since there is a suicide option, i could run up to the enemy and blow up in their face. That would be pretty useful for low-hp and useless units.

by TehGuest @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 9:29am

I like the minimum range on powerful weapons like the snipers and launchers, but not on MGs

by Lime @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 9:56am

OH NORZ UR WITHIN 10 FEET OF ME AND MY M200 I CANT SHOOT YOUZ......pfft.

by aaa @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 11:14am

leave minimum range on snipers and grenade launchers, but take it off on all other guns.
add knife
take away suicide because it would make the game too easy, or else make it weaker with less range and damage. i just send in 1 guy to blow most of the other team, so it just makes the game unbalanced

by Lime @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 11:27am

But I'd use the suicide for the mentioned "terrorist ops".

by TehGuest @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 11:39am

Yeah, make the suicide range smaller

But anyway, I just don't want to be able to win with a bunch of snipers who do basically one shot kills from any range. That's pretty boring... At least minimum range spices it up (as long as lautan lowers the insane number of tiles units can move in one turn atm)

by drago9876 @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 2:35pm

Why are there red outlines of the squares beside me? what is that? and then it continues onto red squares... Anyway like the little demo i can still play which consists of my 1st turn.
Enemy froze while using a launcher o.O.
Are the suicide and stuff suppose to be one of the choices in perks? or are you not doing that anymore.

by TehGuest @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 3:01pm

It seems the AI doesn't have the minimum range down. If I'm within their minimum range it says "please select an active tile" and their turn just never ends

by jkthesnk @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 9:26pm

The grenade launcher attachments only do 19 damage......

by TehGuest @ May Sun 9, 2010 @ 10:25pm

Yeah, but it does splash damage

by carkibanzali @ May Mon 10, 2010 @ 8:17am

can you make it like knight tactics 2 where you can use EXP to buy on now jobs like mortar man ,MG gunner ,sniper and new stuff like flash glasses, flak vest ,and explosions ,and the mortar tile on the map editor to make some kind of treachwafe like map that i like to do in the MT3 and WW2 tactics and a when you buy a upgrade it show up in the class like get a bipod upgrade for your MG can you make it like it show in the picture and flash glasses the units will have glass and backpack more ammo well thats all for now

by carkibanzali @ May Mon 10, 2010 @ 8:20am

and the RPG and grenade launcher has limited ammo so they have to use a side arm or they will run out of ammo sorry for the two comments

by TehGuest @ May Mon 10, 2010 @ 2:24pm

Cool run on sentence, bro ;P

by honidian @ May Mon 10, 2010 @ 4:31pm

Yeah, I think it would be cool if it was like knight tactics in the way that you could choose which soldier is what and so on.

by drago9876 @ May Mon 10, 2010 @ 5:11pm

Side Track: lautan you have xbox 360 live? i saw some1 with your name and so i invited as friend :P

Anyways: yeah that was my opinion at first except make the experience for individual soldiers to buy new weapons, perks, equipments
But the first thing for you to work on is that glitch >.< like the looks of the weapons though

by carkibanzali @ May Mon 10, 2010 @ 9:38pm

yeah the glitch has to be fixed

and when is the map editor going to be up i cant wait

P.S pls put a mortar tile on the editor to make it more realistic and the mortar has to be inaccurate like all mortars are and they can destroy a wall in a direct hit and if not a pothole tile that gives cover of 10% of hits but grenades do extra damage well its a hole in the on ground one grenade can get in the there easy
and other thing is supply drop ammo but it land random so you or the enemy can get it well that all for new

by carkibanzali @ May Mon 10, 2010 @ 9:40pm

yeah the glitch has to be fixed

and when is the map editor going to be up i cant wait

P.S pls put a mortar tile on the editor to make it more realistic and the mortar has to be inaccurate like all mortars are and they can destroy a wall in a direct hit and if not a pothole tile that gives cover of 10% of hits but grenades do extra damage well its a hole in the on ground one grenade can get in the there easy
and other thing is supply drop ammo but it land random so you or the enemy can get it well that all for new

by SnakeEater101 @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 10:04am

I myself dont like the whole KT2 thing going on with MT4 coz thats what it looks like also I only get one turn then the enemy keeps going on or sometimes the mimium range thing glitchs with the enemy aswell then instead of choosing a diffrent move they just keep saying "select an active tile" over and over.

(sorry for any typos or spelling mistakes)

by Daibeedis @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 12:40pm

Sorry for insulting you`re hard work but.... i dun like it :l its too much like KT2. it should be a Upgraded MT3. the guns look great. new skills, great. new look...... >_> nawt so much. i like the Small unit + big map feel of MT3. and the movement animation is sorta "Durp" :Soldier: "Alright men lets sling the Sh*t out of our guns 1 2 3 4, 1 2 3 4, yeah thats it"

by TehGuest @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 2:28pm

Wtf carki? Do you realize how much programming it would take to not only add a mortar and make it random, but to destroy the environment? He would have to code all that AND create destroyed tiles for all tile sets. Not that its impossible, but it will take that much longer and have that many more glitches to work out

And @dali: What do you mean the animation is "durp"?

by swallowdanut420 @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 4:24pm

damn jews

by Lime @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 4:34pm

Will you shut up?

by aaa @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 5:31pm

launcher only does 15 and enemy keep trying to attack me while im in their minimun range area.

by l4stspartan @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 8:05pm

not picking on teh but rather anyone else that has said this aswell but please stop saying such things as: "do you know how much work that would take" or "that's way to much work" or anything on those lines because i doubt very much, with some exceptions, that anyone on this site knows how to code anything whats so ever, unlike me which i find rather annoying.

by SirJid @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 8:24pm

And besides, if Lautan doesn't want to do it, he doesn't have to. We're just throwing ideas around.

by l4stspartan @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 8:44pm

exactly.

by TehGuest @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 9:19pm

I was just pointing out that it would doubtlessly have bugs because it would be a whole new set of codes, then people would whine about glitches. And of course writing the codes and fixing the glitches would take time, which people on here have a tendancy to whine about

And I do know a bit about coding, tyvm...

by l4stspartan @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 10:55pm

regardless it's pretty obvious... if you want good work shut up and wait. also i never said you didn't know about coding: "... i doubt very much, with some exceptions, that anyone on this site...".

by l4stspartan @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 10:57pm

also just because i have nothing else to write about... that last post was my 100th... lol.

by b25 @ May Tue 11, 2010 @ 11:51pm

and you dont have to always put someones post down just because you think it wont work. im not saying you are, but that comment towards carki came off a bit pompous... again please dont take offense to it, that is just how i saw the comment as. just let someone put down their opinion without bashing it, just for the sake of keeping arguments out of these threads

by destructopoo @ May Wed 12, 2010 @ 12:04am

Mabesies could you add melee?

by SnakeEater101 @ May Wed 12, 2010 @ 10:53am

Hey why did you take away mend I thought that was a good idea plus I think the suicide idea is kinda funny coz its like your soliders are terroirests lol.

by TehGuest @ May Wed 12, 2010 @ 2:01pm

I didn't mean to put him down, but I literally could not understand a lick of his first post. Then he says just "put in a mortar tile" like its a piece of cake and would take no thought whatsoever and "it has to do this that and the other" like he's handing out orders
I guess I just got worked up and it came out wrong

by epicfail5000 @ May Wed 12, 2010 @ 9:46pm

i have idea that i dreamed about before the idea killed me because terrorist where using it agianst me.........dont ask why i was casper the ghost BUT ANYWAYS the idea is this..........sry long dramatic pauses make me fart xd!!!

the idea is for you to add like jobs to buy like in kt2 cause that turned out good but you can have multiple charactesr of same type but the characters are limited to 3 powers and those 3 pwoers seperate them from other types like one could be a medic and anoter could be a medic but the first medic has

1.medkit
2.adrenaline
3.bandages
the other one has

1.t-virus (resident evil but name it wat you want it makes it so you get a super damage boost but almost all the a.i units will be focused on you
2.splint fixes you up like bandages but also makes you stiffer so your movment is reduced by half
3. health syringe (same as the medkit but more effective

thats just a example please use ideas i dont want to have dream of me b eing stabbed with t-virus by a stupid suicide bomber then getting a splint in my mouth till i have to break it thus getting splinters in my mouth coming out my eyes and a stupid health syringe stabbed into me (i hate needles just hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate them) into my nuts that is not good feeling i wont act straight for a week xd!!!!!!!

by epicfail5000 @ May Wed 12, 2010 @ 9:47pm

OH OH OH BROKE RECORD OF LONGEST COMMENT AGIAN AND THAT TIME I DIDNT MEAN TO DO IT OH OH OH OH BY 2 MORE CENTIMETERS SUCK IT!!!

by carkibanzali @ May Wed 12, 2010 @ 11:46pm

maybe when a unit got hit his accuracy goes down and a medic can heal him with a medic kit fully restores HP and morphine restores accuracy loss but does not heal unit it is just an idea with epicfall,s idea it pretty good

by destructopoo @ May Thu 13, 2010 @ 12:05am

yeah i like some of epic's ideas but wouldn't morphine makes you less accurate I mean you would be on a pretty strong drug. Epinephrine shots to make you run farther and shoot more accurately would be pretty cool

by patar225 @ May Thu 13, 2010 @ 6:39am

replace suicide with knife

by aaa @ May Thu 13, 2010 @ 7:08pm

morphine should increase your maximum health but lower your accuracy. adrenaline shot should make u be able to run farther.

by aaa @ May Thu 13, 2010 @ 7:13pm

also theres a glitch where if the enemy has to reload, it just gets stuck and they dont reload. the screen is jammed on MUST RELOAD

by carkibanzali @ May Thu 13, 2010 @ 10:25pm

yeah that sounds good heals but - accuracy nice

by carkibanzali @ May Thu 13, 2010 @ 10:28pm

when is the map editor going to be out??

P.S am just asking

by coll543 @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 12:29am

can i say the min range is a problem
so just junk it

by SadPanda @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 12:52am

I somehow doubt a soldier could function in battle on morphine at all. However, I wouldn't know from experience, so if anyone is or knows a soldier that remained in a combat situation after being dosed with morphine, then by all means correct me.

Just advocating realism. "It's what I do." ~ Colonel Danning, Wormhole X-Treme!

by SadPanda @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 1:01am

Correction: was an active role in a combat situation, not remained in a combat situation, although these two variations are not mutually exclusive.

by carkibanzali @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 5:16am

cant you just say

a soldier that has got shot and hit with morphine

and the RPG can have limited ammo so you have to use the side arm pistol

just saying.

by BUBEAR @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 12:40pm

magic???? thx sadpanda


no, i'm not really that stupuid

by Lime @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 4:40pm

@SadPanda
Well, morphine helps the soldier fight the pain, and less pain means more focus, which equals combat effectiveness, yes? It would also depend on the individual and the severity of the wound itself.

by aaa @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 4:50pm

morhpine would make u drowsy and less focused, not ready to fight. it takes away the pain but lowers your performance on the battlefield

by carkibanzali @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 9:30pm

for me it lowers accuracy and morhpine is a addictive drug when some one puts it in the mouth that is why it is put in powder from on the wound and morhpine will not make you drowsy you know i think the guy will worry more the wound then geting some sleep.

P.S am not saying your wrong am just puting my point of view sorry if it offended any one thank you.

by carkibanzali @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 10:10pm

side note does any one know the HBO series band of brothers and the pacific?

by Lime @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 10:16pm

I did say it depends on the individual, didn't I?

On your side note, I've seen them.

by SadPanda @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 10:25pm

Morphine does not make you focused. If you guys want a heal button that does the effect you desire morphine does, just call it "Wound Dressing."

And Bubear, add to the discussion or don't. But magic would explain half the mechanics for this game.

by SirJid @ May Fri 14, 2010 @ 11:29pm

and many other things.

by Lime @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 12:22am

Or maybe just harvest Chuck Norris' tears.

by l4stspartan @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 12:35am

how about none of it because if he adds one drug he has to add another one as a counter balance or because people will complain and then soon you have 8 different options oh healing when it's suppose to be a small maybe 5 minute squad on squad battle. yes i know there only ideas and your just throwing them around but now its not even relivant to the game... your all argueing over what morphine does to your body... why not take some and shoot a gun then you can come back with the results and you'll be the winner of this.

by l4stspartan @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 12:36am

... just saying.

by destructopoo @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 1:45am

I've been on stuff way weaker than morphine and I pretty much felt drowsy and couldn't really focus. Carki I think that powder you're thinking of is like an antibiotic thing they put on wounds. I don't know if we're talking about the same thing but I've seen it in war movies.

by SnakeEater101 @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 5:01am

guys im with spartan here all your doing is discussing what morphine does why not continue with actual ideas for the game? like yes I myself would like it if you could heal yourself but why call it a drug why not just "heal" and get on with the game because thats all it is a game not real life so not everything has to be realistic ok.

by SnakeEater101 @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 5:05am

Another thing I thought wa good was the rank system why not bring that back but with more ranks instead of just 20 perhapes? and also I read that you said its more like MT3 and not like KT2 but really it is not talking about graphic wise but like other things like there is no number one solider etc just and S like shape why?

by destructopoo @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 10:29am

ok i'm really confused....just and s like shape why? what does that even mean?

by hiugo56 @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 2:30pm

@carkibanzali
Did someone just say The Pacific and & band of brothers!
And the powder you are taking about is a antibacterial drug called Sulfonamide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfonamide_%28medicine%29

by b25 @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 2:31pm

damn this thread has broken 100 posts, we need a new topic

by SnakeEater101 @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 4:12pm

@destructopoo
What I ment was "just an S shape" if you play the game before selecting a soldier theres and S above them like on KT2 although lautan said it was going to be more like MT3 than KT2 so I was just wondering why its got some KT2 features and looks.

by SirJid @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 7:02pm

I think that the soldiers should be able to use i weapons for melee (hitting someone with the butt of a rifle). It seems more likely that you would do that instead of randomly using a knife while holding the gun. Or, you could have to switch to a knife to use it and have a "ranged" attack and a "melee" attack option. ranged would be shooting someone or throwing the knife, and melee would be whacking them with the gun or stabbing them.

by destructopoo @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 10:15pm

ooooh snake my bad lol

by carkibanzali @ May Sat 15, 2010 @ 11:52pm

yeah, I agree we need some thing new to talk about all in favor type some thing new.Am out of ideas.

by Quiche @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 2:07am

I thought of an idea. When a terrorist is on low hp like <40 or around that, he runs up to your guys and self destructs to kill some of your troops. Also there could be mines, they are invisible to the enemy but you can see them, like the "camo" option for snipers.

by destructopoo @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 2:37am

the mine idea would actually be pretty cool! there would have to be a mine detector perk to go with it though

by RaziNavarro @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 7:51am

I have a few ideas that people may like.
1. Ability to call in air support
2. Vehicles (tanks, trucks, etc.)
3. Different missions for different branches of service. Each with it's own playable character. Much like the Modern Warfare series.
Ex. Naval Battles, Local Police missions, and a chance to play as the enemy. But all of this should occur on the same front. Otherwise, it must be relevant in some way.
4. Bigger maps to accommodate for the increased move distance and sizes of the battles.
5. Bombs and grenades should be made more powerful.

And as to my observations, people want an upgraded and steroid-ized MT3 more than a modernized KT2.

by Exempt @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 9:17am

The vehicle idea was already discussed, but I do like that mine idea too. Are the mines pre-planted from the start of the game? Or is their some sort of ability to plant them yourself? If they are pre-planted from the start, then I would like everyone to see them.

by b25 @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 10:33am

well if everyone could see the mines then whats the point? how about you get a certain amount of mines, maybe 3 or depending on the size of the map maybe more. and the enemy gets the same, then you both get to plan those before the battle starts, you can see yours and the enemy can see theirs. thats how i think it should work if mines were added into the game

by TehGuest @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 11:28am

I just have to laugh at the people on here. First they say they want a remake of Mt3, then they want a bunch of crap from MW2 thrown in there (because I'm sure people actually throw their knives away in the heat of battle with maybe a 1/100 chance of it hitting and doing any damage)
And then, when all this crap inevitably takes months to implement and debug, they say it's taking too long...

by destructopoo @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 12:25pm

So true...

by l4stspartan @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 4:08pm

u never know what a person will do while in the middle of a fight. if a guy came at me with a gun and all i have is a knife i would probably take my chances throwing it to atleast buy a second of time to move, but enough of that. mines would have to work both ways, so u or an enemy would take damage. and if he does perks like MW2 or whatever hes got going then there should be a mine sweeper perk... or a mine detector. what about this for an idea, engineer perk, it allows to to build up a small, desrtructable wall/ box type of thing that u can still shoot over or whatever. it could be like 1-2 tiles, but your troop could only use it 1 time or something, that would be completely new and it would change whatever field your fighting in quite drastically if placed well, what do u guys think about the make-shift barricade?

by aaa @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 7:30pm

not that morhpine makes the guy focused on getting sleep (not during a battle), but he just gets less focused

by Exempt @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 8:45pm

Well I can't imagine building a little wall during the midst of battle, but hey this is game, a turn-based one infact lol, anything is possible. If this idea were to go into effect, then make it so you end your turn right away. Or just replace the movement ability. I can't see a solider taking his sweet time moving around and making a barricade. That's just me though

by carkibanzali @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 8:47pm

you can have AI allies like in a urban warfare mission you are the army and the swat or whatever will help you and they can have the the same equipment and swat police local rebels even maybe rioting people if your playing as enemy

by Exempt @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 8:49pm

Oh and I just realized, what's he making these make-shift barricades with? Does he randomly pull out some bricks and cement? Does he make a sand castle? Some blown-apart body parts found laying around? Lol sorry, I just like having some fun once in a while ^_^

by destructopoo @ May Sun 16, 2010 @ 9:40pm

fun is evil! how about a new tile that's like a foxhole(or an explosion crater) and if you're in, you can chose to take cover as an action and you go prone in the crater and you have a 90% chance of dodging bullets.

by tomaszavenger @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 2:15am

Well, it's quite nice graphically, and a decent engine. Once the glitch is fixed it'll be good.

Lautan, you might want to check the "Three New Mods" thread in the forum. The forum thinks a secondary admin should be appointed to keep the forum running and updated with code, since you have little time to do it yourself.

And I agree with l4st-spartan. Don't talk about code when you don't know about code. Lautan has already mentioned it takes mathematical, physics and computational knowledge, most of you not having it to the depth required, and if you did, you would probably be typing in full sentances and with correct grammar.

by destructopoo @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 5:12am

to be fair tom, you can tell when something is hard to code. I mean, its easier to code an AI walking from point A-B than it is to code a real time shadow or something

by tomaszavenger @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 7:25am

Well, pathfinding with the A* algorithm is generally pretty simple, I use it for my exploits, and a shadow isn't too difficult, some languages have a built in shadow wrapper, and all it is for a 3d object is lines drawn from the light source, through an object, and then colliding with the ground. The shadow appears only on the ground and any part of the object being exited, or on objects where a secondary collision occurs. Yes the algorithm is more complex, but 3d pathfinding can be more taxing, especially if you want smooth walking installed and less erratic limb manouevers.

by tomaszavenger @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 7:29am

However, if we're dealing with more than one light source, that's some pretty bizzare code. However, a lot of coding qualms are misjudged. That particular example was obvious, but people without experience cannot possibly know which is harder between a multiple tile vehicle or dynamic terrain. (I'd say a multiple tile vehicle, as the pathfinding has to work for a tile block rather than a single tile, which is a lot more difficult. Dynamic terrain is a simple variable change in an array to treat a tile differently, and possibly a sub-routine being executed depending on what happens during the terrain change on a particular tile.)

by tomaszavenger @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 7:30am

Lautan, also, I am both a moderator and a beta tester but my access level on the comment board has not been adjusted, please fix this. Thank you!
:-)

by destructopoo @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 2:42pm

Yeah I'm on the beta...i don't really worry about it anymore haha. I've tried some flash stuff I understand a little about how it works though. Maybe there could be a shadow option for tiles and with a certain perk, you can hide in the shadow unless someone passes through your 3x3 box then you become visible. You also become visible for a turn after you shoot.

by aaa @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 6:20pm

for the construction site in a box thing, i think that it sounds good but the wall should be destroyable. or else there will be problems like people just locking themselves in rooms with 1 doors and the game would never end. it should also take up the entire turn, both movement and action.

by drago9876 @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 7:23pm

Work on the gameplay first, maps i could care less since there are map editors. Also, if you do map editors make some way so that they are not completely farmable, kuz in modern tactics 3, i got bored and just made a map where i have total advantage lol. Good luck man

by Lime @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 7:33pm

@Tomaszavanger(Lautan, also, I am both a moderator and a beta tester but my access level on the comment board has not been adjusted, please fix this. Thank you!):
Yeah, well, so am I.

by l4stspartan @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 8:41pm

lol i love how whenever i comment i get the one odd guy that says " i agree with l4stspartan". it makes my day. anyways... how about doors maybe? a tile you can open and close when your right near it, it would be good cover and it adds realism seeing as every house in the past 3 mt games were open, and if mines being invisible would cause trouble then how about claymores? those would only really be good if you added LOS to troops though... and what about multiple level buildings? you go up a ladder and then you have a range/accuracy/ cover bonus, whichever ones work... and the way i see things all you have to do really is copy and paste the main floors coding and do what you need to to double it up, then maps could be hella big and could you put 10vs10 or 20vs2 option back from ww2t. lol lots of ideas i hope atleast a couple were worth typing.

by l4stspartan @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 8:43pm

...10vs10 or 20vs*20* option...
lol although a 20 on 2 fight would be amusing.

by carkibanzali @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 10:07pm

side comment what do you mean ODD GUY

and yes a door will be good you plant a trap on it so if some one opens it it blows up or you can lock it and halt the enemy advance for awhile they can do a breach option

by carkibanzali @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 10:07pm

14stspartan is right am not saying he is insulting or anything OK

by l4stspartan @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 11:16pm

odd guy, you know, the random somebody, also for the 3rd time i think it is now the name starts with an L, it's lastspartan but a 4 instead of an A... gamer stuff.

by Vuther @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 11:24pm

The changes certainly show promise. Not perfect yet, of course.

by Vuther @ May Mon 17, 2010 @ 11:25pm

Oh, and BUBEAR, I think the orange-coloured names are people who are cleared to go into the Beta Testing forum (which is hidden to those without it I believe - don't be jealous, it's not being used for anything right now.)

by l4stspartan @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 12:32am

yeah everything is open beta. another idea came to mind.(im on a roll today, lol) i think this was touched on earlier but i wanna talk about it again... if there is a map editor then make it so that the boxes and tables and stuff don't have stuff under them please, i hated it in the other mt games where i would have a box in a house that had grass and shit growing from the bottom, lol, it's very unhygienic for the people to let that stuff grow in there.

by Blood @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 1:10am

great game so far really comming along nicely but the range! HUGE LMG's are like snipers! i think the range should be decreased alot because this isn't fun if you want to make a small map
also please don't use the tiles from KT2 i like the old ones from MTO and WW2T but only boxes from KT2 is crap

by destructopoo @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 5:14am

l4st how would a 2 story building work? i mean, how would you tell if your guy is on the first floor or the ground floor?

by Quiche @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 5:31am

You could have the building's corner walls gone, so you could see inside and when you maneuver your mouse over the top floor, it could take away the top floor and you can see inside to the bottom floor.

by Quiche @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 5:35am

Also Lautan, can you fix something? When I shoot a nade out of a launcher onto the ground, it is red and bloody when no-one is actually there.

by b25 @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 9:28am

the ground is the first floor

by b25 @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 9:30am

where are the new updates!??!?! this thread is getting old...

by AtomDragon @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 1:10pm

Update 2.0 or snme shit

sthll no news or anyting btt with any luck i shoukd have a new compver by next week

ciao!

AtomDragon

by destructopoo @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 2:48pm

er...b25 people in some parts of europe call it the ground floor and the next one is the first floor and so on.
Do you guys think snipers should be more powerful?

by aaa @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 6:04pm

definately increase sniper strength and range.

add claymores

by b25 @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 7:10pm

oops haha, my apologies, i didnt even think about that, and yes snipers should be mor epowerful

by carkibanzali @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 8:46pm

snipers can have one shot one kill but that will destroy the game in the game you can have 10 sniper that kills the enemy in a shot

by SirJid @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 9:09pm

Maybe you could choose mines (or claymores) for the grenade slot for a unit. (like C4 in MT3)

by destructopoo @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 9:09pm

hmm....now that i think about it, the snipers should stay the same but a perk that lets you go prone would be cool. while prone, you would have to use an action to unprone and you are way more accurate (and you do more damage because you would be hitting around where you want to hit)

by SirJid @ May Tue 18, 2010 @ 9:21pm

Also, on pre-placed mines, if it's an offensive mission, it wouldn't make sense to have already placed mines in an enemy-controlled area.

by Blood @ May Wed 19, 2010 @ 1:27am

when i'm to close to an enemy sniper (when in the can't shoot tiles)
they try to shoot but then stop because they can't hit me
could this be fixed?

by Quiche @ May Wed 19, 2010 @ 2:26am

I thought about the suicide option and then I thought, how about make a minigame called "Suicide Tactics" or "Terrorist Tactics" and it comes with MT4. You get a certain number of guys and then you have to "suicide" and kill as many people as you can. Then the highest scores can go on a high score list.

by Quiche @ May Wed 19, 2010 @ 4:44am

@SirJid. Pre-placed mines actually would make sense if you were the attackers. The defenders would obviously have mines to help them defend the area. If you were the defenders, there could be 10 vs 20, and you are the 10 defending the area with the help of claymores and mines.

by Blood @ May Wed 19, 2010 @ 2:30pm

yea but what if your defending?
the computer would have to step nto the mines or is there anything that would make them visable pre placed mines would have some tricky enemy programing but i like the idea

by l4stspartan @ May Wed 19, 2010 @ 7:52pm

multiple floors would be easy to toggle, have a button on the bottom or something that u click that goes to floor 1(ground floor, idc), a button to toggle the floor up, and so on.

by Blood @ May Thu 20, 2010 @ 12:57am

maybe easy to toggle but haven't we heard this idea for a thousand times
it's very hard to program

by l4stspartan @ May Thu 20, 2010 @ 5:58pm

its also been said twice as many times to not go on about how complicated coding is, plus i think(im not sure, but) its the first time its been said on the new site.

by epicfail5000 @ May Thu 20, 2010 @ 7:08pm

no somebody said it in comments about 2 post ago XD

by epicfail5000 @ May Thu 20, 2010 @ 7:09pm

and im back from my vacation to hawawii (i got mugged by a guy with a surf board he cut my arm with the thing on bottom of the board and took my wallet) XD it wasnt that funny so..........what are we talking about please awnser this comment next person to comment

by jkthesnk @ May Thu 20, 2010 @ 10:21pm

The same thing we always talk about in these comment sections, random game ideas that never work and we get side tracked on shit that doesn't even matter.

by carkibanzali @ May Thu 20, 2010 @ 10:26pm

that is some bad luck.

and two floors is hard to program you can have like a tower that some one can get in and they will have more range and you can put up a machine gun and a taser that stuns and stop the enemy from shooting and they will surrender that can be a new mode LIKE in SOCOM note SOCOM is a game

by carkibanzali @ May Thu 20, 2010 @ 10:27pm

that is some bad luck.

and two floors is hard to program you can have like a tower that some one can get in and they will have more range and you can put up a machine gun and a taser that stuns and stop the enemy from shooting and they will surrender that can be a new mode LIKE in SOCOM note SOCOM is a game

by Heartnet @ May Fri 21, 2010 @ 12:06am

any news Lautan ?

by Blood @ May Fri 21, 2010 @ 1:00am

guess he's busy making the game

by b25 @ May Fri 21, 2010 @ 1:59pm

UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE! UP-DATE!

we need an update

by SadPanda @ May Fri 21, 2010 @ 6:41pm

Well, I give up.

by b25 @ May Fri 21, 2010 @ 7:49pm

400 USERS!!!!!, lets all have a beer now!

by drago9876 @ May Fri 21, 2010 @ 10:48pm

I think the reason for the huge delay is that he is probably trying to fix that never ending turn bug. Better be a big update coming up...

by SirJid @ May Sat 22, 2010 @ 12:12am

its only been two weeks. I'm positive that he is carefully cataloging each individual idea and its variations, along with the pros and cons, to be sure he has the best-quality product possible.

by SirJid @ May Sat 22, 2010 @ 12:13am

On second thought, no I'm not.

by RaziNavarro @ May Sat 22, 2010 @ 5:12am

lol

by destructopoo @ May Sat 22, 2010 @ 2:47pm

hey carki do you even know how you would code that? Don't talk about coding if you don't understand it, guys. It's only been 2 weeks I mean holy crap you guys are leeches give the guy a chance!

by l4stspartan @ May Sat 22, 2010 @ 8:10pm

i am teh leechness... lol, but yeah so much impatience... just get red dead redemption and wait for the next post to come out.

by destructopoo @ May Sun 23, 2010 @ 7:09pm

haha i heard that game is the shit

by l4stspartan @ May Mon 24, 2010 @ 3:52am

oh yeah it is a massive step up from gta 4 i love it.

by SnakeEater101 @ May Mon 24, 2010 @ 2:33pm

Yeah it is good I was at my mates playing it today. I wouldn't say its better than GTA IV though or a step up its like the GTA seires but not exact.
still a brill game.

By the way, why is there no update!? ahhhhhhhh. (jokeing)

by aaa @ May Mon 24, 2010 @ 4:10pm

this has gone from people giving ideas into people arguing about stupid ideas to people talking about their trip to hawaii and red dead redemption. i think its time for an update.

by epicfail5000 @ May Mon 24, 2010 @ 7:04pm

LEAVE MY TRIP TO HAWAII OUT OF IT I WAS BORED AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT ME GETTING MUGGED FOR MY WALLET GOD..........you people need to get some sensitivityness (wow grammmer fail most likely with that word) BUT SERIOUSLY AND DONT DISS RED DEAD REDEMPTION my dad works at rockstar and gave me the early copy of the game ITS EPPICCCC TO THE FEVERRRRRR!!!!!!

by SirJid @ May Mon 24, 2010 @ 8:56pm

... are you okay?

by aaa @ May Mon 24, 2010 @ 8:58pm

chill out... i didnt say it was a horrible game or anything or your trip. im just saying that this page has so much random comments that have nothing to do with this website and that the conversations have trailed off

by aaa @ May Mon 24, 2010 @ 8:58pm

including this conversation i just started =)

by TehGuest @ May Mon 24, 2010 @ 9:26pm

When lautans says "next week" he really means next month. If you hadn't figured that out already...

by SnakeEater101 @ May Tue 25, 2010 @ 1:57am

Yeah I guess I kinder did sadly.

by RaziNavarro @ May Tue 25, 2010 @ 3:14am

Guys, I'm serious here. I think he's dead. He hasn't shown any signs of activity lately. (not that I know of) I think he's dead or something.

by destructopoo @ May Tue 25, 2010 @ 5:11am

If I could have a super power it would be to give people a neural shock every time they make a stupid comment...that way I would train people to make reasonable contributions to this little society.

by SnakeEater101 @ May Tue 25, 2010 @ 11:18am

If I could have a superpower it would be to stop time so I could finish anything I needed to and for personal gain etc.

by destructopoo @ May Tue 25, 2010 @ 4:02pm

but if you stopped everything how would you breath? nothing around you would move...

by b25 @ May Tue 25, 2010 @ 8:52pm

i already have a super power, and it is being super awesome

by b25 @ May Tue 25, 2010 @ 8:53pm

and im pretty sure you could still breath if you stopped time

by SirJid @ May Tue 25, 2010 @ 9:13pm

I guess that if you can affect other things (i.e. taking money or historical documents from somewhere), but that's only if natural forces, like a vaccum or gravity, still applied. But then again, if they didn't, maybe you wouldn't need to breath.

by destructopoo @ May Tue 25, 2010 @ 10:32pm

btw this comment section is now off topic because there's a new one...yeah you would need a bubble of time to control but if you do it too much you would age waaaay slow than everyone around you

by l4stspartan @ May Tue 25, 2010 @ 10:52pm

alright this sounds really stupid... anyone here have the power to stop time? anyone? didn't think so. alright well that's settled.

by b25 @ May Tue 25, 2010 @ 10:53pm

see i dont get where that idea comes from, if you use time control why would that slow your aging down? if anything, i would think you would age faster (i mean to the people around you) becasue during the time you stop, you keep aging while everyone else stays the same. but i really have no ideaw hat i am talking about haha

by destructopoo @ May Wed 26, 2010 @ 3:05pm

that's what i meant if you stop time you'll be a minute older than the world. You still probably wouldn't be able to breath or move. You would be walking into atoms which are frozen in space to they wouldnt be able to move and neither would you...same with breathing how would you get the oxygen from outside of your lungs in?

by SirJid @ May Wed 26, 2010 @ 5:17pm

I already explained the breathing thing...

by SnakeEater101 @ May Thu 27, 2010 @ 2:42pm

Whoa did I set of a science thing coz I ment the whole classic scyfy thing you know. Still breathing and stuff but no one else could move etc. Lol.

by destructopoo @ May Thu 27, 2010 @ 5:19pm

SirJid lets say your body is the only thing still moving through time. How would breathing work? It's not like everything stops except for air. Anyway, since everything stops that includes air so breathing in wouldn't do anything since there's nothing that can move into your lungs. You still would need to breathe since you need air. Vacuums would mean nothing since diffusion won't happen if things can't move and I don't think that gravity would do anything. I don't even know if you could do anything because since nothing would be moving, it technically wouldn't be matter.

by b25 @ May Thu 27, 2010 @ 5:45pm

just because everything stops does not mean it isnt movable

by SirJid @ May Thu 27, 2010 @ 5:58pm

A valid point. But since time is stopped, you wouldn't need to breath. Breathing supplies oxygen to muscles and the brain for energy and removing carbon dioxide. When there is no time, CO^2 can't be created, and energy cannot be expended. Therefor, there is no need for oxygen.

by l4stspartan @ May Thu 27, 2010 @ 7:40pm

lol, this is almost amusing.

by destructopoo @ May Thu 27, 2010 @ 11:05pm

i know haha. yeah but if you don't need oxygen ATP won't break into ADP and phosphate so how can you move without energy? You kind of need to swap oxygen for carbon dioxide or you can't make energy and you can't move. (btw i don't think anyone here is right i'm not even sure time travel is possible)

by daltonthegamer @ May Fri 28, 2010 @ 1:54pm

OK i have a glitch to report its were the enemy reloads but dos not end his turn

by TehGuest @ May Fri 28, 2010 @ 2:13pm

I think it would be physically impossible to freeze time (would probably tear a hole in space time if you did; like dividing by 0), but it would be quite possible to slow it to and indistinguishable rate which would still allow you to manipulate objects

by destructopoo @ May Fri 28, 2010 @ 2:55pm

well for that to happen you would have to be going really close to the speed of light

by destructopoo @ May Fri 28, 2010 @ 2:55pm

^theoretically :P

by b25 @ May Fri 28, 2010 @ 5:41pm

you guys think WAY too much about this shit

by l4stspartan @ May Fri 28, 2010 @ 7:12pm

lol thank you for saying theoretically!

by b25 @ May Fri 28, 2010 @ 8:27pm

dude controlling time whatsoever is impossible, it can never be done

by destructopoo @ May Fri 28, 2010 @ 9:11pm

well i wouldn't say impossible(since nobody understands the universe)

but yeah if you go at 99% the speed of light(i don't know why but you cant go 100%) then everything around you will have been going relatively faster than you did. Like if you do that for a day then the rest of the world will have gone a year forwards in time or something like that. Lol b25 i think about this crap all day

by SnakeEater101 @ May Sat 29, 2010 @ 8:09am

Um guys lets stop talking about my most wanted superpower and move on to the game. Hmmmm. Hows that sound. What do you think lastspartan? Do you agree.

by b25 @ May Sat 29, 2010 @ 8:34am

so how does that work? when you go 99% the speed of light, how does the rest of the world start going faster then you??? and why is it impossible to go 100% if you cant come up with a reason why not then is it impossible? haha ya i figured

by l4stspartan @ May Sat 29, 2010 @ 4:03pm

sounds like a plan snake, lol but leave these guys to their little arguement, theres a new topic posted now for the actual game.

by b25 @ May Sat 29, 2010 @ 5:20pm

we really arent arguing, im more curious then trying to prove them wrong, i have no intention of that

by SirJid @ May Sat 29, 2010 @ 8:33pm

I thought you could go at 100% of the speed of light, but not more.

by CWRules @ May Sat 29, 2010 @ 9:21pm

What font does this game use? I'm getting those square characters you sometimes get when you don't have a font installed.

by b25 @ May Sat 29, 2010 @ 9:39pm

how is it possible to put a limit on how fast you can go??? what is keeping you from going faster?? i ask this as a question, not in a way to try to prove anyone wrong

by carkibanzali @ May Sat 29, 2010 @ 11:15pm

actually some astronomers think that the universe expands faster then the speed of light

by destructopoo @ May Sun 30, 2010 @ 2:05pm

lol b25 that's einstein's life work pretty much. The faster the get, the more massive you are. The closer you get to the speed of light, the more energy you need to go faster. The problem is, when you go faster, you get more massive. You would be getting infinitely close to the speed of light but you would need an infinite amount of energy to propel an invinite amount of mass which is impossible. The universe might expand at the speed of light but the barriers of the universe go into other dimensions and that's kind of hard to explain. The reason light can go at the speed of light because is because photons have no mass so you don't need an infinite amount of energy.

OK as for the little time travel thing, the world isn't going faster. You're going slower. There's this theory called special relativity which is pretty much that light always moves at a constant speed. Lets say your speed is x and the speed of light is y. Your combined speed is x+(y-x). This is your total movement speed( your speed + the speed until you reach light speed). Since nothing goes faster than light, the faster you go, the slower you go through time. so if you go at 50% the speed of light you're moving at the same velocity but relatively at a longer period of time.

by destructopoo @ May Sun 30, 2010 @ 2:05pm

the faster you get i mean

by b25 @ May Sun 30, 2010 @ 10:35pm

what causes your mass to increase the faster you go?

by carkibanzali @ May Sun 30, 2010 @ 11:15pm

the gut is right photons have no mass with means the go fast with little energy

by destructopoo @ May Mon 31, 2010 @ 9:40pm

particle motion= more mass. The faster you go, the more your particles move and the more massive you get. All photons move at exactly the same speed because any energy moves them as fast as anything could possibly go.

by b25 @ Jun Tue 1, 2010 @ 12:03am

but if your in space, will your particles still move? there is nothing to move them out there

by destructopoo @ Jun Tue 1, 2010 @ 2:44pm

what moves anything? particle motion. A hydrogen atom will have its electron orbiting the proton anywhere because the strong radioactive force that keeps atoms together is a universal constant. Spaceships go into space because the fuel has an opposite reaction on the shuttle so it flies through empty space.

by l4stspartan @ Jun Tue 1, 2010 @ 5:14pm

sooo... whos winning?

by destructopoo @ Jun Tue 1, 2010 @ 8:20pm

winning what?

by l4stspartan @ Jun Wed 2, 2010 @ 12:06am

the arguement.

by SnakeEater101 @ Jun Wed 2, 2010 @ 4:40am

I can't belive this is still going on guys.

by destructopoo @ Jun Wed 2, 2010 @ 5:14am

it's not an argument

by b25 @ Jun Wed 2, 2010 @ 9:13am

i was just asking question about this stuff

by destructopoo @ Jun Wed 2, 2010 @ 2:42pm

404 argument not found

this is why I love google! btw read parallel worlds by michio kaku its where i learned a lot of this stuff

by l4stspartan @ Jun Wed 2, 2010 @ 6:31pm

well my definition of an arguement is when you have 2 or more parties that are disagreeing on a matter, and please don't tell me that hasn't happened with this atleast a couple times.

by destructopoo @ Jun Wed 2, 2010 @ 7:29pm

I don't think so...I mean we're all just throwing around ideas. It's more of a discussion than an argument

by Lime @ Jun Wed 2, 2010 @ 7:41pm

Spartan, please stop parading around like some sort of moderator, you REALLY don't have much of an idea on what you're doing. An argument involves flaming, hate speech and the whatnot. Do you see any of that here?

by l4stspartan @ Jun Wed 2, 2010 @ 9:23pm

first off im not acting like a moderator because I give a defintion of arguements, and in general yes I have seen tons of flaming, here, not yet. and don't get mad at me for giving my definition just because yours differs.

by destructopoo @ Jun Thu 3, 2010 @ 5:16am

wow spartan no offense this was fine until you started telling us we were arguing....

this is why we can't have nice things

by Lime @ Jun Thu 3, 2010 @ 4:49pm

See, arguing would be calling you a fuckface or something. That hasn't happened yet.

by l4stspartan @ Jun Thu 3, 2010 @ 6:05pm

dude its an arguement sorry if you have a different word for it thats just the one i use and nothing has been fine on this site because theres always a fight...

by TehGuest @ Jun Thu 3, 2010 @ 6:18pm

Spartan, you're a fuckface

Now its an arguement

by l4stspartan @ Jun Thu 3, 2010 @ 7:38pm

so are you, your point? are you trying to start a fight?

by SirJid @ Jun Thu 3, 2010 @ 9:42pm

This went from a discussion/brainstorm about MT4 to a discussion on morphine and how it affects soldiers in combat back to a MT4 discussion to superpowers to stopping time to light and now to an argument about arguments. Maybe we should leave this thread now.

by b25 @ Jun Fri 4, 2010 @ 12:11am

hahahahahahaa omg this is HILARIOUS!

by l4stspartan @ Jun Fri 4, 2010 @ 5:29pm

agreed sirjid... and what are you laughing about b25 uve been in as many arguements as anyone else on this site.

by b25 @ Jun Fri 4, 2010 @ 10:36pm

i dont deny that,in fact i have probably been in more, i think its funny how you have managed to turn an innocent conversation into a hate fest lol

by carkibanzali @ Jun Fri 4, 2010 @ 11:17pm

yeah this is HILARIOUS al leave you guys to fight or some thing like that

here is a song of the esy company 2nd battalion 506

We pull upon the risers,
We fall upon the grass.
We never land upon our feet,
We always hit our ass!
Highty tighty, Christ almighty! Who the hell are we?
Zim-Zam god damn! We're Airborne Infantry!2X

by l4stspartan @ Jun Sat 5, 2010 @ 1:23pm

lol wtf?

by AtomDragon @ Jun Sat 5, 2010 @ 4:47pm

I much prefer "Praise The Lord And Pass The Ammunition" myself

by carkibanzali @ Jun Sun 6, 2010 @ 1:30am

it is a WWII song you can find it on the first part of band of brothers

by carkibanzali @ Jun Sun 6, 2010 @ 4:06am

i searched for the song thing here it is

Down went the gunner, a bullet was his fate
Down went the gunner, then the gunners mate
Up jumped the sky pilot, gave the boys a look
And manned the gun himself as he laid aside The Book, shouting
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition and we'll all stay free!

Praise the Lord and swing into position!
Can't afford to sit around and wishin'
Praise the Lord we're all between perdition
and the deep blue sea!

Yes the sky pilot said it
You've got to give him credit
for a son - of - gun - of - a - gunner was he,
Shouting;
Praise the Lord we're on a mighty mission!
All aboard, we're not a - goin' fishin;
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition and we'll all stay free!

by AtomDragon @ Jun Sun 6, 2010 @ 12:55pm

That's the one. So awesome

by destructopoo @ Jun Sun 6, 2010 @ 2:15pm

haha I love easy company's song. Sidenote: Spartan tried to turn a friendly discussion into a fight but sadly for him, we're a bit more resilient than that.

by SirJid @ Jun Sun 6, 2010 @ 4:35pm

that's an awesome song

by b25 @ Jun Sun 6, 2010 @ 5:47pm

this is seriously the craziest thread ever hahaha

by carkibanzali @ Jun Sun 6, 2010 @ 8:20pm

i agree this is craziest thread ever

i helped i little of the crazynes mostly is the fight and the fuck face stuff that was crazy

CURRAHEE!-We stand alone!

by l4stspartan @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 12:00am

destructoo i wasnt trying to start a fight... im sorry for my vocabulary not being the same as the queen of englands, fine it was a discussion or whatever the fuck you want to call it but seriously what do u want me to do use the dictionary before every post? ill tell you right now that will not happen, i say stuff how i know it and you say stuff as you know it, can we put this behind ourselfs now and get on with life?

by destructopoo @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 5:14am

ironic...and there was no need to say that you just want to be the center of attention.

by carkibanzali @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 9:23am

i dont see any thing ironic about it

well glad thats over

by carkibanzali @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 9:24am

they stoped there fighting and what not

by carkibanzali @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 9:24am

i dont see any thing ironic about it

well glad thats over

by b25 @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 12:40pm

get on with life????? buddy you are letting site affect you WAY too much.

by l4stspartan @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 5:27pm

not really i come on here for maybe 5 inutes everyother day on average. by get on with life i ment stfu about 1 comment if anything this site affects the lives of whoever started trying to yell at me/correct me, whatever the fuck your trying to do and i also don't see any irony with what i said and if anything you want the attention because after i try to end this you keep edging me on... and you wonder why theres always fights? hows about fuck off, is that good enough for everyone? i hope so cuz if not thats to bad i tried to stop this nice and quitely a couple times now but no... you have to keep going on and on dragging the same 1 comment till the next update comes out then we act like were all friends again until something else slips up and the fighting goes on again, and people think im being the dick? i have a question, if im such a jerk and im the 1 trying to end this, then what are you people that keep going at me even after everyone thinks its over? now this little problem better end with this post or i might just lose my tempure...

by b25 @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 5:51pm

just the fact that you had to write all that is sad, i am seriously not going to take the time to read all that. that is WAY over doing it man, haha no one cares that much

by Lime @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 6:32pm

TL;DR. It'd be better if you stopped telling people to stfu all the time. You're no batter than any of us.

by Lime @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 6:32pm

*better...I hate my keyboard sometimes.

by xenofire @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 9:07pm

reminds me of endless war because 3 was epic and 4 wasn't so hot kinda like mt3 and mt4 demo xD

by l4stspartan @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 10:31pm

im not saying im better than anyone, look at all my posts and tell me if you see me typing that anywhere.

by Lime @ Jun Mon 7, 2010 @ 11:40pm

You act like it, though, typing "stfu" in response to every last post.

by destructopoo @ Jun Tue 8, 2010 @ 5:20am

Spartan we started fighting with you because you told us we were fighting and you couldn't accept the fact that we never did. This can't end because whenever you try to stop you add a clever little comment because you need to have the last word.

by Lime @ Jun Tue 8, 2010 @ 10:20am

I agree completely.

by AtomDragon @ Jun Tue 8, 2010 @ 12:22pm

Like;

"Okay guys fine, maybe you aren't all gay because all your names don't have the number 4 in, i acdept that. I was just over-reacting, but you didn't have to be little dicks about it"

If you catch my drift, yo?

And what has the Queen of England got to do with it? She's bloody Greek!!!

by destructopoo @ Jun Tue 8, 2010 @ 2:49pm

Long live the Queen! Spartan you should make like the BEF in Dunkirk and gtfo.

by l4stspartan @ Jun Tue 8, 2010 @ 5:56pm

... no comment to any of that bull shit...

by b25 @ Jun Tue 8, 2010 @ 7:43pm

LOL HAHA LAWLZ LMAO ROFL BAHAHA, this is hilarious, spartan just some words of advice, CHILL down and dont take any of this crap on here personally. hey do any of yu guys remember devildogs???

by l4stspartan @ Jun Wed 9, 2010 @ 12:50am

to well...

by destructopoo @ Jun Wed 9, 2010 @ 5:17am

unfortunately

by b25 @ Jun Wed 9, 2010 @ 10:11am

where did that fool go?? haha

by Lime @ Jun Wed 9, 2010 @ 2:23pm

@spartan: See, if you just said, "no comment", it would have been over, but noooo.

by destructopoo @ Jun Wed 9, 2010 @ 2:45pm

Lime that would've been reasonable

by l4stspartan @ Jun Wed 9, 2010 @ 5:16pm

lol see now your going to hold onto yet anyother sentence, wow... get over yourself, i tried to stop it and you kept saying shit about so so yeah... it is bullshit live with it.

by l4stspartan @ Jun Wed 9, 2010 @ 5:17pm

another*, not that anyone cares...

by Lime @ Jun Wed 9, 2010 @ 6:57pm

So...who's winning?

by l4stspartan @ Jun Wed 9, 2010 @ 7:04pm

winning what, the arguement, lol jk, but yeah can we just stop this im a lil tired with it now?

by Lime @ Jun Wed 9, 2010 @ 7:06pm

Yeah, sure. <stops argument> So....that's all over, now.

by destructopoo @ Jun Thu 10, 2010 @ 2:45pm

lol the whole "bullshit" statement really shows that you want this to end spartan. why can't you just say "let's end this" and leave it at that? Don't bother responding to this

by ProjectPhysician @ Jun Sun 13, 2010 @ 6:23pm

chill guys it's just a demo for testing, what do you expect from a demo (everything perfect),it's just a test.

by Lime @ Jun Mon 14, 2010 @ 11:47pm

Uh....could you stand to read a bit? This wasn't about the demo.

by l4stspartan @ Jun Tue 15, 2010 @ 12:05am

wrong topic there bud... rofl.

by tacticalcommando @ Jul Tue 6, 2010 @ 1:25pm

I think it's awesome that modern tactics 4 is coming out, but, me and my brother think that there should be tanks in the game.

by tacticalcommando @ Jul Tue 6, 2010 @ 4:29pm

by tacticalcommando @ Jul Tue 6, 2010 @ 4:31pm

oh, wait i just found- never mind.

by tacticalcommando @ Jul Tue 6, 2010 @ 4:39pm

hey, more ideas! there should be naval Units!

by tacticalcommando @ Jul Tue 6, 2010 @ 4:42pm

oh, wait, you already talked about that too...

by someguest213 @ Jul Mon 12, 2010 @ 2:47pm

You should make MT4 like MT2 where you get to use cheats on the campaign, cuz it's kinda hard doing mission without them aaaand i'm too lazy to do them normally. Or maybe at the beginning of campaign you can choose to use cheats or not and choose what cheats you wanna use.

by TehBeastDoOD @ Jul Mon 12, 2010 @ 4:33pm

Tacticalcommando=spammer.
cheats are for pussies.

by TehBeastDoOD @ Jul Mon 12, 2010 @ 4:33pm

by TehBeastDoOD @ Jul Mon 12, 2010 @ 4:33pm

well, on the campaign, anyway.

by cola @ Jul Thu 15, 2010 @ 6:29pm

i fuken thoought it came out already in june1

by wolfcoomer @ Aug Wed 25, 2010 @ 5:02pm

thers a glich wer you can knife from across the map